Back to reality and facts, Huckabee won 70% of conservatives in VA and lost the state by 9%. My theory that self-described “conservatives” are irrelevant.

And wouldn’t that be nice if only the Republican half of the country voted in November.

Sit home if you like, McCain will win without you, and maybe because you don’t like him.

Once again you are trying to refute other people who aren’t here. Nobody here is talking about sitting home. We’re talking about being upset that McCain looks to be the Republican option.

Honestly, if you can’t stop foaming at the mouth about what people are saying elsewhere in the internet, maybe you should go to other places where they actually are saying those things rather than spew about them here and not address what we actually are saying. I realize it’s because there’s not much to address–you like amesty; we don’t. The conversation pretty much ends there, except that you brought in all these other straw men that other people maybe are saying but we aren’t. Go find people who are actually saying that Mexican immigration should be curbed, that they think McCain would be a worse president than Obama, that they will stay home rather than vote for McCain and beat them up. Go. Shoo. They’re easy to find. Run along.

I didn’t plan on commenting again but you keep responding so I rebut your comments. I realize when your out of ammo its best to fold your tent and retire.

Yes, you win.

Go you.

And god help us, profanity used on the internets! Slublogs virgin ears!

Anwyn, I was not addressing anything you said in my last comment, it was a direct response to Slublog assertation that McCain is an undisciplined old coot who has such a violent temper, he’s going to blow up and destroy his campaign. He also claimed McCain had run a very ugly campaign, which seems not to have bothered any of the ex-candidates, since every one but Ron Paul has endorsed him (Huckabee has all but endorsed McCain, and probably will this week, they remain very cordial).

I didn’t plan on commenting again but you keep responding so I rebut your comments. I realize when your out of ammo its best to fold your tent and retire.

Back to reality and facts, Huckabee won 70% of conservatives in VA and lost the state by 9%. My theory that self-described “conservatives” are irrelevant. Sit home if you like, McCain will win without you, and maybe because you don’t like him.

Limbaugh was postulating that just today, that his continued attacks on McCain shored up McCain’s moderate bona fides, and there could be a case made that Rush is doing it on purpose because he secretly supports McCain. Pretty ingenious way of having it both ways, Rush!

I don’t have time to get into this right now, so I’ll be back later, but a couple of thoughts: No, it’s not about how I may or may not feel about McCain personally, and also, once again, you are punishing us here for views expressed elsewhere. I do not advocate handing the election to the Dems through a refusal to vote for McCain. That’s not in the best interest of the country. But when you say “the best interest of the party,” then I’m not sure I agree with you. I think the best interest of the party is to tack back to the right on some of these things. If I didn’t think that I wouldn’t be a right-leaning conservative. *shrug*

Obama up 3.7%, well within the MOE.

which is pretty good considering the discontent with Republicans in general following the war, Katrina, a slowing economy, a very unpopular Republican president, 8 years of Republican rule, voters like to change parties usually after 2 terms etc.

The Dems have a lot of problems with internal divisions right now, as much or more than Republicans. Unless they field a unity ticket of both Clinton and Obama they are going to have real problems with Democrats supporting one or the other candidate.

McCain hasn’t suddenly developed these traits you see as negative. He’s had them his entire career. Yet he handily won the nomination, even though he was almost broke this summer and had very little money going into the primaries (while Romney spent about a million dollars per delegate won) and is in good shape with the general public, with very high positives and approval ratings and tied with both Dems in the polls. And Republicans haven’t even started attacking Obama yet, no one has. That guy has no where to go but down.

All your drivel about ‘no need for such ugliness’ is baloney. For one, I haven’t seen where McCain has played anyone dirty. Romney was the one push-polling about Mormonism to make it look like someone else’s dirty tricks. McCain remains on cordial terms with Huckabee, and both Romney and Thompson endorsed him. Not bad for such an “ugly” campaigner.

I say “fuck you” not because I disagree with the whingers politics, but because they are full of shit. Their complaints about McCain are ridiculous considering their hero, Romney, only became a conservative less than 2 years ago.

You guys don’t like McCain personally, as your comments show, not because he’s not a conservative, which its objectively possible to show he in fact IS, as much or more than any other candidate. So instead of making a rational business and political decision, you’re basing it on the fact you don’t like McCain. Well, most Republicans DO like him, and a helluva lot of Democrats and independents do too.

Are you really that clueless about politics you seriously think ROMNEY or Huckabee or Thompson would do better in the general election than McCain? If so, you need to educate yourself. Romney runs constantly 30-40 points behind Obama and Hillary. McCain is tied within margin of error.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

You are trying to say that McCain, a professional politician of many years standing, who has run in the presidential before, is going to implode and destroy his own campaign. Unlikely. Where the heck do you justify a “Mondale-like” landslide for the Dems? Further, where do you justify nominating any of the last remaining candidates because they would do better?

McCain is the Republican’s best chance in this very bad environment for the GOP. I don’t find the so-called “conservatives” objections to McCain compelling. They seem like sore losers pissed off that their candidate didn’t win, they feel their pet issues weren’t addressed, they can’t accept there is not enough support in the party to nominate someone who will stroke them and their pet issues, so they are trying to torpedo McCain and the party’s chances to win in a fit of pique. So yeah, fuck them.

If they are willing to hand over the presidency to the Dems to “punish” the party for dissing them, they aren’t conservatives at all, they do not have the country’s best interest in mind, they certainly don’t have the party’s best interest in mind, they have a selfish grudge to nurse and I have no patience with that. Its childish.

You won’t find McCain as flexible with his core beliefs as Romney was.

Which gets to the heart of conservative discontent with McCain - what you see as an admirable trait, many of us see as a bull-headed, vain stubbornness and refusal to back down on bad policy decisions. Inflexibility in the pursuit of bad policy is no virtue, and a willingness to admit you might not have all the answers is no vice.

There is a self-righteous streak that seems to fuel many of McCain’s decisions and it’s evident in how he treats his political opponents, both in the Senate and on the campaign trail. There’s no reason for such ugliness in politics, and I have little patience for politicians who seem to revel in it as much as McCain does. Personally, I would never dream of saying “f**k you” to someone I disagree with on policy during a discussion. Why make things so uncivil?

McCain supporters seem to feel that his Maverick tendencies are going to attract large numbers of independents and Democrats discontent with the Clintons. Unfortunately for McCain, it doesn’t seem Clinton is going to be the nominee at this point. If it’s Obama, then you can kiss those independent voters and Democrats good-bye and prepare yourself for a shellacking of Mondale proportions.

In addition, McCain’s temperament will arise as an issue during this election. In that case, say good-bye to female voters and more independents. As for the Latino vote, I think you’ll find more of them are anti-war than pro-immigration and that will determine their vote in the fall.

What was that about not needing conservatives again?

No, dude, I’m anti-ILLEGAL-immigration, and YES, I am still dissatisfied with McCain. And I’m not the only one. And for you to go on claiming that the only people dissatisfied with McCain are racist assholes is pretty damn close to calling me and others here names. He and his supporters are not as damn careful about separating the one from the other as you say you were trying to be, and by the way, if it wasn’t me or Slu you were referring to, then exactly which one(s) of my commenters *was* it? (”but some of your commenters do” …and then you backtrack, saying it wasn’t at me or at anybody here.)

We’ve talked a bit and I appreciate your comments here in general. You’re right that I flared up over the original “f— conservatives” without noticing that you then said “nativists” … but come on, you were not making nearly such a separation between the two as you now say.